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, drinking beer with friends, performing mass, using humor, symbolic objects, and improvising inside all o f this. It all makes sense. Beer is m y American wine—stimulants have always been used in religious ritual. Montano: W e r e there mentors along the way? Marioni: W o r k i n g for a curator, Alan Schoener, in the Cincinnati Art M u s e u m w h e n I was an art student gave me a sense o f scale in art and taught me to see many aspects o f making and showing art. Presentation or context is half the art. Montano: D o y o u want fame? Marioni: Yes , I want fame